Comments on: The Monologues are BACK! http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/ Fighting Like Warriors and Thinking Right. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:53:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Gop3.com: The Triumvirate » Blog Archive » The Fire Maguire beat goes on http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-84965 Gop3.com: The Triumvirate » Blog Archive » The Fire Maguire beat goes on Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:56:01 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-84965 [...] good folks at the Cardinal Newman Society (frequent duelers with the Administration) have also hopped on the Fire Maguire movement (LifeSite): Cardinal Newman [...] [...] good folks at the Cardinal Newman Society (frequent duelers with the Administration) have also hopped on the Fire Maguire movement (LifeSite): Cardinal Newman [...]

]]> By: Antibush http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-74333 Antibush Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:12:33 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-74333 Bush goes ballistic about other countries being evil and dangerous, because they have weapons of mass destruction. But, he insists on building up even a more deadly supply of nuclear arms right here in the US. What do you think? What is he doing to us, and what is he doing to the world? Our country is in debt until forever, we don't have jobs, and we live in fear. We have invaded a country and been responsible for thousands of deaths. The more people that the government puts in jails, the safer we are told to think we are. The real terrorists are wherever they are, but they aren't living in a country with bars on the windows. We are. Bush goes ballistic about other countries being evil and dangerous, because they have weapons of mass destruction. But, he insists on building up even a more deadly supply of nuclear arms right here in the US. What do you think? What is he doing to us, and what is he doing to the world?
Our country is in debt until forever, we don’t have jobs, and we live in fear. We have invaded a country and been responsible for thousands of deaths.
The more people that the government puts in jails, the safer we are told to think we are. The real terrorists are wherever they are, but they aren’t living in a country with bars on the windows. We are.

]]> By: Gop3.com: The Triumvirate » Blog Archive » Profiles in Catholic Collegiate Courage II http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-73647 Gop3.com: The Triumvirate » Blog Archive » Profiles in Catholic Collegiate Courage II Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:57:36 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-73647 [...] Now that is a strong statement. And he is right that the play has become a symbol - that was my litmus test argument on an earlier post. [...] [...] Now that is a strong statement. And he is right that the play has become a symbol – that was my litmus test argument on an earlier post. [...]

]]> By: Christine http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-72643 Christine Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:32:40 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-72643 Regarding Logan's point about "taking back" cunt and claiming it as a source of power... I consider myself a feminist. However, I don't understand woman who want to "re"claim cunt and bitch as positive words anymore than blacks who want to reclaim the n word and own in. The problem with this line of thinking is these words were *never* positive words. They are hateful and representative of a history of oppression. Regarding Logan’s point about “taking back” cunt and claiming it as a source of power…

I consider myself a feminist. However, I don’t understand woman who want to “re”claim cunt and bitch as positive words anymore than blacks who want to reclaim the n word and own in. The problem with this line of thinking is these words were *never* positive words. They are hateful and representative of a history of oppression.

]]> By: St. JImbob of the Apokalypse http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-72632 St. JImbob of the Apokalypse Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:23:29 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-72632 Here is a useful litmus test for the Catholic university administrator, who may be contemplating sponsoring the Vagina Monologues: Is this presentation of the character that you would ask our Blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, to observe and learn something from? Would you ask Jesus to take a seat in the front row, so that he could learn something He didn't know about the lives of women? If your answer is "No", that should be the answer you give the Vagina Monologues. Here is a useful litmus test for the Catholic university administrator, who may be contemplating sponsoring the Vagina Monologues:

Is this presentation of the character that you would ask our Blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary, to observe and learn something from? Would you ask Jesus to take a seat in the front row, so that he could learn something He didn’t know about the lives of women?

If your answer is “No”, that should be the answer you give the Vagina Monologues.

]]> By: COSMOS~LITURGY~SEX » A Change in Strategy at Marquette University Opens the Door for the Vagina Monologues http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-72540 COSMOS~LITURGY~SEX » A Change in Strategy at Marquette University Opens the Door for the Vagina Monologues Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:05:56 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-72540 [...] Apparently, this program is also being allowed as an academic event as being consistent with a Decree in the Documents of the 34th General Congregation of the Society of Jesus: Jesuits and the Situation of Women in Church and Civil Society, which calls “all Jesuits to listen carefully and courageously to the experience of women.” The website Gop3.com was successful last year in leading the charge in denying the Monologue performance on campus. They intend to do so again and give 7 reasons why it should be banned as an academic assembly. [...] [...] Apparently, this program is also being allowed as an academic event as being consistent with a Decree in the Documents of the 34th General Congregation of the Society of Jesus: Jesuits and the Situation of Women in Church and Civil Society, which calls “all Jesuits to listen carefully and courageously to the experience of women.” The website Gop3.com was successful last year in leading the charge in denying the Monologue performance on campus. They intend to do so again and give 7 reasons why it should be banned as an academic assembly. [...]

]]> By: Logan http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/comment-page-1/#comment-72536 Logan Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:30:43 +0000 http://gop3.com/2007/01/30/the-monologues-are-back/#comment-72536 The Vagina Monologues are narratives. They aren't promoting anything. And they certainly weren't written by a woman who wasn't interested in women's health. A similar thing happened to Jim Webb. Were some of the select and out of context narratives odd? Sure. But because someone can think up a narrative, or a movie--we have a lot of writers of horror films who are anti-murder and torture. I hardly think that's odd. It's widely accepted in mental health fields--psychiatry to medical sociology--that to recover from trauma, it's important to talk about the event and your feelings about it. The more you do that, the better you feel. What are those? They're narratives. Y'all are stuck on one skit--which is a shocking one, no doubt, but it's shocking to stir discussion. Doubtless many opponents have done the same thing about other topics--certainly they have about the Monologues. The Vagina Monologues are sure right on topic about violence against women. --> My guess right now that none of you have seen them performed. Even if you've read them. It's no good. WHY? Because as well all know plays aren't meant to be read, they're meant to be watched. Shakespeare didn't publish any of his works. --> Genital mutilation, heterosexual rape, sexual repression. These are all issues dealt with in the Monologues. The cunt skit (another that's often cited) is about taking back a word that by social convention is a vulgar word for vagina, and it's also used as an insult. Like saying you're gay or a retard. Last, the Monologues are serious and deal with serious issues. But there is no lack of humor. I've had to hold myself in my chair everytime I've seen them. Is humor appropriate you may ask? I point no further than political cartoons. The Vagina Monologues are narratives. They aren’t promoting anything. And they certainly weren’t written by a woman who wasn’t interested in women’s health.

A similar thing happened to Jim Webb. Were some of the select and out of context narratives odd? Sure. But because someone can think up a narrative, or a movie–we have a lot of writers of horror films who are anti-murder and torture. I hardly think that’s odd.

It’s widely accepted in mental health fields–psychiatry to medical sociology–that to recover from trauma, it’s important to talk about the event and your feelings about it. The more you do that, the better you feel. What are those? They’re narratives.

Y’all are stuck on one skit–which is a shocking one, no doubt, but it’s shocking to stir discussion. Doubtless many opponents have done the same thing about other topics–certainly they have about the Monologues.

The Vagina Monologues are sure right on topic about violence against women.

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My guess right now that none of you have seen them performed. Even if you’ve read them. It’s no good. WHY? Because as well all know plays aren’t meant to be read, they’re meant to be watched. Shakespeare didn’t publish any of his works.
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Genital mutilation, heterosexual rape, sexual repression. These are all issues dealt with in the Monologues.

The cunt skit (another that’s often cited) is about taking back a word that by social convention is a vulgar word for vagina, and it’s also used as an insult. Like saying you’re gay or a retard.

Last, the Monologues are serious and deal with serious issues. But there is no lack of humor. I’ve had to hold myself in my chair everytime I’ve seen them.

Is humor appropriate you may ask? I point no further than political cartoons.

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