Do the right thing…
Written by Sarah on February 18, 2008 – 9:18 am - Welcome, if you're new here, you may want to subscribe to our RSS feed or subscribe to our email newsletter. Thanks for visiting!
And vote smart on Tuesday.
My wonderful conservative friends, do the intelligent thing and vote in the Democratic primary, not the Republican primary. McCain has the GOP nomination in the bag. Voting for Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee (gag) might give you more ideological satisfaction, but having someone like Barack Obama as president could prevent a solid conservative from being in the White House for a long time. Your vote would mean a lot more by voting for the weaker of the two Democratic nominees. This is code for: VOTE FOR HILLARY.
There is method to this madness. Barack Obama is clearly a more formidable candidate and would have a greater chance, I think, to win the presidency against a Republican like McCain. Obama is a lot more liberal than Hillary and is crazy enough to think he is “above politics.”
I have become convinced that an Obama presidency would be far worse than another Clinton one. If Hillary does get the nomination and the presidency, I don’t think she would change all that much despite some of her rhetoric. She has an agenda and I think will be forced to negotiate. Of course she will stump for socialized medicine and universal health care but I do not think she could push it through if people really urged Congress to vote against her proposals. I also think this could give the GOP an opportunity to put a better conservative candidate up in 2012. And I’m sure many of you know who I have in mind!
Hillary is such an extremely divisive figure that I think she could get trounced in the general election. So many people have such a visceral reaction to her that they would never vote for her no matter who the opponent was. She would lose the women vote. In Iowa, the only women group she won was the 60+ years bracket. So for those of you who can’t stand the idea of her in the White House can maybe rest easier. McCain is more popular among moderates, independents, and Democrats and is a less polarizing figure. I think he has a great chance of being elected over Hillary, and less so than if he were put up against Obama.
Finally, as a side note, John McCain does not stand for conservative values or governance. He is on the wrong side of a few very key issues (immigration, poltiical speech, etc). I personally would rather have four years of crappy Democratic policy via Clinton than four to eight years of pseudo-crappy McCain policy and then have liberal Democratic administrations for the next four election cycles.
For several of you, I have already pitched this proposal and a few of you are already doing what I plan to do. For those I haven’t talked to, hopefully you consider this option. But of course the most important thing to do is just vote on Tuesday!
Mark Steyn had a great article on Barack on Saturday. Read it - hopefully it gives you a better idea about what Barack is about.
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February 18th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Isn’t the point of an election to assure that the will of the people is heard? By voting for a candidate that you do not want to win you are undermining that will. How patriotic of you.
Some people would even call that voter fraud. You should be ashamed.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:29 am
The point of an election, collectively is what you just said: conveying the will of the people. After the votes are tallied up, the candidate with the most votes win, and that is declared teh will of the people. But the point of an individual’s vote is to convey the will of that particular voter. Saying that my single vote, on the basis of the reasoning behind that vote, does not undermine anything. Exercising my ability to express political speech in the form of my vote is not only practical and legitimate, but constitutional as well.
Voter fraud would be more like voting twice, rigging an election, etc., nothing which I am advocating.
On the other hand, if I were saying all of this in the capacity of a Republican official, I would be outed by Republican Party standards. But as a blogger expressing my personal views, I couldn’t be charged for any voter fraud on the basis of my reasoning for voting for this person or that person.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Yeah, dumbass - as opposed to the nursing home down the road from the Milw. Cnty. Bush HQ where one voter told us mentally handicapped patients were being forced to vote for Kerry or warned that they wouldn’t be fed. That wasn’t vote fraud!
Nor were a million other stories from Election Day.
But yeah, you’re right, voting for Hillary is vote fraud. Just like every single state John McCain has won since 2000 with the help of liberals and “independents,” then, right?
February 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am
You advocate taking advantage of our states open primary system to advance the weaker opposing candidate, have the gall to title the post “do the right thing”, justify your lack of ethics by stating someone else is less scrupulous, yet I am the dumbass. Keep it classy GOP3.
February 18th, 2008 at 10:59 am
You can completely justifably disagree with my reasoning or “ethics” but you cannot say that is is voter fraud or anything of the sort. I’m not compelling anyone to follow my strong suggestion. I actually explicitly said the most important thing is to vote in the first place. Don’t turn your lack of personal preference for my stance into some legal charge. This is why there are blogs and why you respond to me. If you really think I’m advocating voter fraud, why don’t you report me?
February 18th, 2008 at 11:06 am
All I said was it is unethical. I said “some people” would characterize it as voter fraud. I don’t think it technically fits the fraud description, but this is not something I would expect to be advocated for on a blog written by students of a Christian university. I don’t think that Jesus guy would be down with this sort of thing.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Of course, if you have trouble bringing yourself to vote for John McCain, you could always support the more conservative candidate on the GOP side, Mike Huckabee.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Mike Huckabee, the more conservative candidate?! Oh Daniel, we very much disagree on this point! I guess I’ll have to find it in myself to forgive you
February 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Voting according to your conscience wouldn’t be something Jesus would be “down” with?
February 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am
I think he was joking, Sarah.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am
3rd way must be awefully busy these days policing the ethicalness of voting. I could certainly use your help. Is it unethical for me to vote for Ron Paul because I know he isn’t going to win. Is it unethical not to vote at all, oh wow if that is unethical you really have a lot of lost souls to save and redirect. Better get going.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Don’t give me this “some people” straw man BS. I’m going to dismiss your suggestion that it’s vote fraud because it’s so laughable, but I’d like to know, really, where were liberals and the media whining and crying when Democrats decided in state after state in the 2000 and 2008 primaries the winner of Republican primaries? If Democrats can decide that a de facto Democrat can be the Republican nominee, Republicans can at least ensure that lifelong nationalize-everything liberal Hillary Clinton is the Democrat nominee.
February 18th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Sarah, I actually considered voting for Hillary about a week ago, and came to the same conclusion I did in ‘04 when pondering whether to vote Howard Dean in the primary.
I just can’t bring myself to do it. It’s a slam dunk in theory, I just wouldn’t be able to pull the trigger. I’d feel dirty afterward.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
For an unltra-conservative, Sarah’s post is exactly what they should do. Obama represents everything they are afraid of. Let him in the White House and many conservative positions that have been pushed in recent years will start going away. And given Obama’s potential to be a good President, if he is successful as President, Americans will be less inclined to vote for Republican’s in Congress. Not to mention ultra-liberal judges will be appointed to the Supreme Court, instead of ultra-conservative judges.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
“After the votes are tallied up, the candidate with the most votes win, and that is declared teh will of the people.”
Unless, of course, you are Al Gore, then Bush wins.
February 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
By the way, that article said nothing about what Obama is “all about”. If you honestly want to see what any of the candidates are “all about” on a non-partisan basis and make decisions for yourself, instead of being brainwashed by Right-wing demi-Gods like Mark Steyn, goto http://www.ontheissues.org.
February 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“My wonderful conservative friends, do the intelligent thing and vote in the Democratic primary, not the Republican primary.”
This statement is stunningly galling, given the fact that you have the nerve to call a blatant call to manipulate the results of a presidential primary the “right” thing to do. It’s a shame that Jesuit education didn’t do more to teach you about ethics and morals.
February 19th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“My wonderful conservative friends, do the intelligent thing and vote in the Democratic primary, not the Republican primary.”
You heard it here, it is smarter to vote Democrat lol.
February 20th, 2008 at 12:24 am
I love how republicans show (once again) that they are all for DIRTY POLITICS. Republican morals do NOT exist. Congratulations on sealing my vote for Barack Obama.
February 20th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Editing posts after the fact…now there’s something new!
Sarah, you can edit your post (and my reply) after the fact, but that doesn’t change what you said, nor the fact that it shows a stunning lack of ethics. Heck, the fact that you edited your post and my reply just reinforces my point, because you should have the gumption to let your words stand or fall on their own, without having to edit them after the fact.